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Friends are tons of tricky social situations we have to navigate when it comes to dating. Frineds up with someone can be awkward, being friends up with can feel terrible, and telling more friend with benefits you want to stop the "benefit" part of things can be super weird. In fact, you might not believe it's possible that friends with benefits can sex back to being just friendsbut before you toss the entire relationship in just garbage, you might want to think twice.
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It's important to communicate that returning to just being friends isn't an indication that the relationship you have with this person doesn't matter to you. Even if you weren't dating, you still felt a connection of sorts, were sexually intimate, and are friends after all! All relationships just through transitions and phases, and a friends with benefits arrangement might not work anymore because one person might start dating just else, frifnds might have diminished interest in sex in just, or they just simply miss the friendship.
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All three - I have had conversations about the "relationship. What I really want is an amazing girlfriend in an open, fun relationship. I feel only then can I be fully honest, and vulnerable with my doubts and flaws. What are your thoughts on this?
Thanks for the comments. I agree that there is indeed often a mismatch and disparity in relationship desires. That is why it is so important to communicate and negotiate. Larger, "irreconcilable" ones spell the end of a mutually-satisfying interaction. Given that, I believe having what you desire is possible That will take continued effort on both of your parts. When you do find someone with similar goals and are able to satisfy each other, however, the relationship exchange does tend to be very stable over time.
Remember too that flaws and doubts are often costs to the other person. Those too are shared or exchanged. In other words, if you are going to share yours Balance both the fun and the flaws with each other.
Maybe men need to learn about relationships in general or stop the hypocritical thought process that they go through. When men are friends with other men they are not using it as a means to an end so they don't feel used when that end never comes.
So to say that men can be friends with women is ridiculous actually worthy of ridicule when all the evidence shows that no man has wanted a friendship with a woman, and that the friendship was just a means to get what that man really wanted. In my experience when women become friends with men, they have the same expectations of those men as they do with their female friends.
They expect time spent together; ideas, thoughts and feelings shared; enjoy eachothers company. They expect this from men as they do their female friends. Men on the other hand have expectations for what a friendship should be based on whether that friend is male or female.
Men are just naturally sexist I guess. Maybe one day they will become enlightened. I will not hold my breath. That does not mean one is more noble or honorable than the other. Although, it may seem that way to one sex or the other, focused on only their own needs and benefits. Also, as I noted in the research, men and women BOTH have different expectations for opposite sex friends. Yes, men are more likely to be interested in sex or romance from female friends.
Women, however, are more likely to look for protection, networking, and paid outings from male "friends". Hence the reason why many men feel women see them as "success objects" and "wallets and bodyguards", rather than human too. Both sexes often see opposite sex friendships as a means to an end So, if you are going to label that behavior as "hypocritical" or "sexist", then it goes for both women and men.
Instead of respecting those differences, however, shaming occurs. That shaming is a manipulation technique to get the other sex to give up on their own goals, for your own good only.
Not only is that completely satisfying for the woman only, but the shaming punishment of being labeled "sexist" and "unenlightened" doesn't even allow the man to opt out of a "friendship" that doesn't work for him.
That doesn't sound like a fair trade to me Rather than shaming men into situations that work only for you at their expense, it might be beneficial to respect their needs as equals.
That doesn't mean that you have to have sex or romance with male friends, just as they don't have to pay or protect you. But, simply respecting that their feelings are valid, appropriate, and legitimate can go a long way to establishing friendship Marilyn Monroe, who should know, once said "Sex is the opposite of love. To compare that with the "cost" of spending time with someone is really off-base. Spending time with a friend is not the opposite of love--it is the very expression of it.
I agree with the original poster. Until men see women as human beings, friendship is inconceivable. Actually, in many cases, the woman is the one exploiting the man by giving him hope where there is none. Have you ever stopped to think that some women are simply overvaluing themselves as friendship material, and the guy needs more than she's willing to give? She has the right to choose whoever she sleeps with, and he has the right to choose whoever he wants to be friends with. She doesn't owe him anything, and he owes her nothing.
Todd's right. This is coming off as shaming others for voicing legitimate issues, and I'll add a bit entitled. I'm also not sure why Marilyn Monroe would have been anymore of an expert than, well, anyone? In fact, she was well-known for using and abusing men to get what she wanted.
Desiring sex with a woman does not make you someone who doesn't see them as humans beings. Miserable male-hater. You are no different from them. And you know this Lol. Monroe was a similar attention-whore and idiot. So hear me. I have been celibate for years. Until my long time friend came along. Now that I slept with him, we are nothing more than friends.
He does not want me as his girlfriend. He does not even want a girlfriend. I like him. He does not take me out, or plan anything nice for me. All our encounters have been sexually episodes. I am fine with this. Because this is what I accepted. If he does not want me permanently. Communication is the key. He has not forced me into anything. I wanted him too. One day he may loose me.
And some man will break his heart not mines. I want protection, gifts, romance etc.. I miss feeling protected sometimes. Thanks for clarifying.
And that makes all the sense in the world. I will never understand why some men would do this. Sexual encounters in physical relationships can never be nearly as intimate as the ones in which both partners desire one another emotionally.
Monroe may have meant just that. I cannot believe this disgusting article? Like are you seriously a PHD? I feel sorry for your clients. You sound like a sexist pig. So women should give men sex because that is what friendship means to them? I give a shit why? Do I owe you something? That is basically what you are condoning. That men are only being our friends because they just want to fuck us.
When I call someone my friend, male or female, tranny, gay, ugly, rich, poor, whatever I am not befriending them for some type of benefit! I am not a fake ass bitch.
Because this is exactly your vile thinking. That I owe you pussy just because. And we use men for protection? How many times do women get raped by their so called friends. I think that is an oxymoron.
When I have had an altercation guess who takes over? My pussy man "friend" ran away and told me to stop causing a scene. So I can handle my own finances and protection. Women are going to war just like you. While you may be physically stronger, it is pointless what you state. She pointed exactly what I was thinking. Who do you think you are? You sound entitled. I only see this in the USA. I have gone to Asia. I saw so many people who were female and male friends.
My friend's wife and him had many male and female friends. Single and Married. They were not trying to bang each other. This culture is messed up just like racism exists here so much too. Men have a very full fragile ego. If a female is your friend it does not mean she wants to bang you. If you cannot handle that truth then have some balls and be straight up and tell people your intentions and go recondition your absurd logic. You are trying to manipulate your way to get what you want.
That is just pure evil. Stop pretending you really give a shit about what we have to say and that you enjoy our company and that you are a nice guy when in reality you are just secretly plotting on how to get in our pants and that is what drives your motives. That is being fake. That is being a lie.
That goes to gold digger women and hoes who use men for things too. I commend you. We are not here only to serve you. Do you want to bang your mom and sisters too? I have had a guy tell me he thinks you should be able to fuck and marry your cousins. They were attractive and he liked them. Much makes sense. On a quick note: men don't owe women sex either. Neither do they like women who don't see them as human beings.
Bottom line: members of both sexes may not like or like something from the other. You need a psychologist. And reading comprehension lessons. Holy damn, for all men out there I hope none of them will ever be either your platonic friend or your lover.
This is pathetic. Certainly it doesn't count as "all the evidence. Let's stipulate one thing up front: we're talking here about heterosexual or at least bisexual people. For what it's worth, in MY experience, I've encountered quite a lot of variation. I've known more than one woman who does NOT treat male friends as presumptively platonic, and is open to a wide range of possibilities. Likewise, I've known plenty of guys who only have eyes for one woman and would never dream of making a romantic move on anyone else they know.
Nonetheless, I'll grant that those are probably the outliers. It's probably safe to say that for most straight men, any woman pleasant enough to be friends with is also someone they would at least consider, and probably enjoy, having sex with, should the opportunity present itself.
There's nothing intrinsically sexist or dehumanizing about it, and it's definitely NOT the same as saying the friendship is merely a means to one particular end and that all else is pretense; only that men conceptualize friendship in a way that does not EXCLUDE the possibility of sex.
The obvious question here, it seems to me, is why so many women WOULD think of friendship in a way that excludes the possibility. After all, if you're dealing with someone you presumably like and trust and whose company you enjoy, sharing thoughts, feelings, and ideas, why would sharing physical intimacy as well somehow poison the well? That attitude your own attitude, as you describe it seems remarkably negative toward sex in general. Physical intimacy requires a much bigger level of commitment than just hanging out with someone, anyone with half a brain would tell you that.
Plus, there are negative social stigmas for being "easy" etc. On top of that, risk for pregnancy and the boatload of complications that come with that , STDs, etc.
To say you can't see how physical intimacy would "poison the well" shows how very little you seem to know about relationships. You know that issue where "EXes can't be friends"? Adding physical intimacy greatly changes the nature of the relationship, and this change is often irreversible. Furthermore, should something of that nature happen, you will very likely receive no help or significantly less help from available support groups. And that's if it doesn't also lead to bullying, social ostracization, or get in the way of your financial well-being hiring opportunities or harassment at work.
Also, I have another issue with only women just seeing men as "wallets" and "protectors". Men also stick up for their male friends in physical altercations. Men also help each other financially, etc. So why is it suddenly when the Y chromosome is not there that this has to come with an expectation of sex as payment instead of mutual support?
Women also have a lot of the same expectations of female friends. Women travel together in numbers for safety and they also help each other out financially whether paying for things or borrowing each other's clothes, etc. Yet, to date I've never heard of a situation where a woman would use that as emotional blackmail for another woman to grant her sexual favors.
That's seen as not normal and weird, but from a man's perspective that's seen as a entitlement. And, both men and women use each other opposite and same gender connections for networking. It seems kind of well, silly that you seem to paint it to where only men can offer networking or financial advantages or somehow a financial advantage is something that only women see as beneficial from relationships.
It goes both ways and every way. That's the nature of human relations period. If honestly I had to guess, maybe over exposure to sexual stimulus at starting at a young age perhaps conditions them to see all women as potential outlets for their sexuality.
There's also the social norm giving great pressure towards men to be hypersexual for fear of catching "the gay" though this makes no sense as gay men tend to be pretty active.
Where as, comparatively, the amount of pressure for women to do the same is in reverse until they get to marriage age. Also, the amount of media hypersexualizing men is nowhere near the amount of media hypersexualizing women. There was actually a study done on this where they compared how people reacted to images of men and women. Men are seen as whole people where as women are seen by their parts.
And this reaction occurred in both men and women viewing the images. However, they were able to fix the issue where women were only seen by their parts, which also lead the study to suggest that it had to do with social conditioning via the media. I agree with your general observations. Yet, I differ in the explanations for them. Please allow me to explain. Men and women do enjoy many of the same benefits from various levels of relationship with each other. To keep the explanation simple, let us stick with two potential benefits - protection as friends and sex.
Both receive added security and protection from being in close proximity to the other as friends. Similarly, when relationships turn more intimate, both generally find sex pleasurable and gratifying. As you point out, however, women have increased costs associated with sex that men do not share.
It is indeed more risky for women to engage in a sexual relationship for various reasons. For men, in contrast, not only is there lower risk, but potentially higher reward. Men's greater levels of testosterone drive them to generally have a higher libido - thus seeking sexual gratification more often. Therefore, although both are having the same sexual need met - women are arguably paying the higher cost and men receiving a greater benefit.
This is commonly accepted and noted by your comment. What is less commonly accepted, is that we have the same problem in reverse when considering a friendship non-sexual exchange.
In this case, both men and women are indeed receiving a level of protection from the other. However, if a threat occurs, it is more likely that the man will physically protect the woman and become hurt. Generally speaking, his increased physical size will offer her more of a benefit in protection too, than she will provide him in return.
Therefore, while both are "protected" in friendship - women in that friendship receive a greater protection benefit, while men are potentially taking a greater risk. Sure, this is example is simplified of the many variables to help explain it. It is also generalized.
So, if one looked hard enough, there could certainly be exceptions. Nevertheless, that does not change the general premise for most opposite-sex friendships When men and women are non-sexual friends, women receive a greater benefit from that friendship and men a greater risk. This is true, even when BOTH are getting the same needs met - because it is of greater benefit to the woman, and more cost to the man. Adding sex more costly for the woman, more rewarding for the man balances it out.
Having said that, I can understand the impulse to disregard this notion. It is advantageous for women to rationalize friendships that benefit them without high costs as "fair" much as men attempt to rationalize no-strings-attached sex as "fair".
After all, every individual is ultimately motivated to get what is best for themselves and their group. Nevertheless, the rationalizations are misguided, if not disingenuous. There is a difference between what is truly fair and balanced in both risk and reward Thus, after being educated to this point, that only leaves one question that each person has to ask themselves Do they really want to have an equitable relationship and exchange - or would they rather now consciously continue to rationalize their own self-interest as "fair", protect their own ego, and hope an unwitting partner takes the bait?
If it is the latter, so be it Pardon me, but very few friendship relationships between men and women result in men fighting off threats to the woman. That analogy is off-base and self-serving. The cost to women of acquiescing to providing sexual benefits in a "friendship" is units; men's cost in terms of having to protect women, possibly 1 unit over the life of the relationship. Furthermore, men provide each other back-up without demanding sex from each other.
Let's get real here. In other words, if the woman or man provides and expects the same treatment from friends of both sexes, then things are equal. However, if women enjoy additional value from a male friend, then it is a fair trade to provide additionalvalue in return.
Vice versa. Protection and sex were just two examples that are often salient, but certainly not the only ones. If a woman is going to consider you "just a friend" , but she wants to be the recipient of everything and not give in return, it's best to cut bait and run. Don't get emotionally involved. As long as you play her games she is not going to stop. Cutting off contact is the best thing you can do with a woman like this.
She'll either come crawling back to you, or she'll be gone. Either way, it's a good thing for you. And it's framed in such a way to be misleading. I could say: "Emotional intimacy requires a much bigger level of commitment than casual sex, anyone with half a brain would tell you that. I'd suggest that you ask a prostitute if she gets more commitment from her friends or her clients, but we both know the answer.
People don't don't pay for friendships, you know. In fact, we don't even need to go that far. There's no shortage of women who sleep with men on the first, second, third, fourth, etc.
Is that what you call commitment? After 4 dates, you barely know the guy. Ask a man how it feels when the woman he's been friends with goes and sleeps with the smoothtalker she met a week prior. Someone put it nicely in one of the other posts: she doesn't think he's good enough.
So why would he stick around? Also, there is no double standard. It's something I hear all the time, yet it's flat-out false. A double standard refers to two parties being treated differently, despite being in the same situation.
Except that men and women are not in the same situation. Women control reproduction and, thus, sex. A woman doesn't need to work for sex, while a man does. Broadly speaking of averages, of course.
And those social stigmas are usually perpetuated by other women who resent other women who give it up easily because it undermines their leverage over men. It also creates a scenario that isn't likely to exist. If a man is actually friends with the woman who casually sleeps with him once in a while, he's not going to start calling her names like easy and slut: they're friends.
Social conditioning probably does have an affect on the intensity of desiring the opposite sex. I can't imagine how that isn't true. But you and I both know the innate desires of both sexes are dead equal. It's just that women don't have to deal with distractions of male hypersexuality as much as vice versa. However, I wish I knew how it came to be that the female is more commonly romantically advertised. Then women wonder why they are harrased. Do they not realize their advantage?
Maybe because the guy is in a situation that, to the woman, doesn't open up to a possible relationship. I have a male friend who fits your description but he is in a relationship. Is there a mutual attraction? We used to be co-workers and were the subject of teasing which I thought would scare him off We still keep in touch, have occasional meetings. During our last breakfast 'date' we had a 3 hour, very personal conversation BTW I always offer to pay my own tab And he admitted what I already knew That she wanted to marry and he did not.
We discussed what we both need out of a relationship. Lots of stuff. We actually have a ton in common. BUT he is still living with this girl and, to me, that says it all. Even though there is mutual attraction, to my way of thinking, the attraction is not enough to make him 'come over', so in essence, he HAS made a decision.
If one or both of the people involved are in another monogamous relationship, then obviously that's an obstacle to sex. I don't think that's quite what I was asking about, though. Indeed it seems from your own example that if the guy in question weren't already "spoken for," you'd be fine with the idea of adding a physical component to your friendship without any fear of it poisoning the well.
Nicholson seems remarkably cavalier about advising people to end friendships and walk away. Yet from your own example, as well as from situations in my life, those I've observed among others, and plenty I can imagine, I'd argue that a good friendship is worth preserving even if it's not a "perfect match" of needs and desires, costs and benefits.
One isn't really liable to find a lot of perfect matches in life, after all. Yet there's still a mutual investment of emotional energy and effort, and mutual benefits as a result. It's a social norm to argue that a monogamous romantic relationship, if it runs into difficulties, is worth working to save; I'd argue that's just as true of any meaningful friendship.
With open, honest communication, there's not much that people can't work out and get past. If someone would rather cut-and-run, that signifies something about how much or little that person values friendships in general. For similar reasons, although it's a bit of a tangent, I completely disagree with the other poster who contended that "Exes can't be friends.
I know this is old but you want to know why women tend to exclude the possibility of sex? Because real friendship has nothing to do with sex! Are you telling me that you as a presumably straight male wants to eventually have sex with your male friends?
You would never entertain the ideA! So why should a female friend especially consider giving up something that is more sacred to her her sex just to appease your idea that she is doable because she is female you happen to get along?
You socalled men are ridiculous and so is this stupid article that was written by a man who is supposed to have his phd! I can tell you right now that most women who want real friendship with men are not trying to get anything out of them like you want to claim except for the same treatment those men bestow on their male friends!
So here is a basic difference between men and women that isn't taken into account here: For men, their friends are guys to do stuff with. Women connect with their friends emotionally and when they get together for dinner or a run or whatever, they share their feelings about things.
Men do NOT get that emotional sharing from their guy friends. It has been programmed and shamed out of them since they were little kids by society's requirement that they fit into the "man box" and adhere to it's rules, or be severely punished for it. So when a women connects with a man as a friend, the same way she connects with all of her women friends, emotionally, through sharing of feelings, men, not having that outlet anywhere else in their lives, see that as special.
Men in society today are only allowed to connect with one person in their lives emotionally and that person is their "significant other. The man will not see it that way and society's programming and strict behavior rules that have been laid out for him since he was 6 years old, will make it difficult for him to not see his relationship with her as special.
THIS is why it's hard for men and women to be friends without attraction forming on the man's part unless there is absolutely zero physical attraction for the man towards the woman. I actually agree with you. But people have to start not giving a fuck what society thinks or pressures you to.
Once youre an adult. You make your own choices. I lived by my moms rules as I grew up then I made the choice to be who I wanted. I don't think a lot of men see women as special. Were treated as objects, but in American culture, yes you're right. I don't think you should lump all men into the same derogatory heap. You've also got to be real with yourself about what you're getting out of this relationship — and what stands to go away if you break off the sex.
So, sure, you enjoy having sex with this person. But that's also someone you're waking up next to, and maybe that's a level of intimacy you're going to miss. Forgetting these "secondary gains" can lead to messy post-breakup situations — and it's these situations that can muddle, and eventually ruin, a friendship.
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